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Offline Bill Quick

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Dicks and Dicta In the State of Washington
« on: February 18, 2013, 09:49:08 PM »
Misstep in gun bill could defeat the effort | Local News | The Seattle Times
One of the major gun-control efforts in Olympia this session calls for the sheriff to inspect the homes of assault-weapon owners. The bill's backers say that was a mistake.
The only mistake was that they let their intentions slip before they were sure they could get the bill passed.

So, why does every gun-grabbing whackjob in America think they can get away with stuff like this?

Thank Antonin Scalia:

A Qualified Defense of the Heller Dicta | Josh Blackman's Blog
Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
It's that final sentence that opens the gun-grabbers' barn door to all sorts of perfidy.

Imagine saying the same thing about the First Amendment: "We do not cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on felons and the mentally ill speaking freely in sensitive situations, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the exercise of free expression."

« Last Edit: February 18, 2013, 09:51:39 PM by Bill Quick »
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Re: Dicks and Dicta In the State of Washington
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 11:30:58 PM »
Wielding power is addictive. The ruling elites sometimes forget that it comes from the consent of the governed. It may be that the passage and implementation of severe gun control laws is the best thing that could happen. People would rise up take their rights back. But instead gradualism seems to be more likely and is more dangerous. A slow erosion of rights does not appear worth resisting and so the noose can be tightened slowly.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 11:55:01 PM »
Actually, they subscribe to Mao's Maxim that power comes out of the barrel of a gun.  They just want to make sure they and their police state lapdogs are the only ones with the guns.
"You can get a lot farther with a kind word and a gun than a kind word alone."  --   Al Capone

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2013, 09:33:43 AM »
Yes, but there is also this from Solzhenitsyn
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“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
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Re: Dicks and Dicta In the State of Washington
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2013, 11:22:51 AM »
All that quote underlines, dale, is why the state wants to make sure the peons are disarmed.  They know where the power comes from, ultimately.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2013, 10:44:05 PM »
I'm not disagreeing that guns are vitally important. Citizens having them is essential to preventing tyranny. But eventually tyrants fall even when they hold all the guns. Stalin cowed people into submitting but it need not have been that way if enough people had tossed sand into the gears. I think this is what happened in some of the east European Soviet satellite states. There is also a story about a South American country where the people were so fed up with their corrupt President that they all came out into the  streets and beat their kitchen pots and pans together until he got the message and resigned. Ultimately the people must consent to be governed.
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2013, 01:13:17 AM »
The problem with that idea, Dale, is that it only works if the tyrant in question puts some sort of value on other people.  None of that worked on Stalin, mass protests just meant the targets were grouped together for easy extermination. 

Yes, no one can make you follow, but remember that sometimes the only other option is death.

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2013, 05:26:53 AM »
Agreed that non-violent protests would not have overthrown Stalin. But the point comes where people move en mass against a dictator as happened in Romania. You could argue that Ceaușescu fell because the army and police turned their guns against him. I'd argue that they would not have done so unless the people had first turned against him. It's probably splitting hairs .
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Re: Dicks and Dicta In the State of Washington
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2013, 04:40:29 PM »
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You could argue that Ceaușescu fell because the army and police turned their guns against him.

Bingo.  That's why the Soviet Union fell, too.  Some of the military stayed loyal (and a counter-coup was tried, if you recall, but it failed), but the bulk of the military - which means the bulk of the power issuing from the barrels of guns - was turned against the state.

As long as the state maintains the ability to murder all resistance, it cannot be overthrown.  This was what Orwell was talking about when he referred to "a boot stomping on a human face...forever."
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