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Offline Bill Quick

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No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« on: June 13, 2011, 02:08:05 PM »
Grid: Regulators assess the ultimate blackout threat

Read the whole thing, especially the final few paragraphs explaining why nothing is likely to get done any time soon, in order to understand why nothing is likely to get done - period.

Oh, and I like that part about how the utility companies won't tell anybody how many spare transformers they actually have stockpiled.  I'm betting their reticence is based on the fact that the number is somewhere between zero and five.
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Re: No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 02:16:46 PM »
And the next solar peak is in 2012-2014.....
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Re: No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2011, 02:27:49 PM »
Shortage of transformers, eh?

We had one of those 'once in a century' ice storms Jan. '09.  When I took coffee to the linemen restoring our electricity they said one of the reasons that it was taking so long was that there was a shortage of poles.

That's a pretty low-tech item, to be able to cripple the grid.

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Re: No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2011, 04:52:25 PM »
Shortage of transformers, eh?

We had one of those 'once in a century' ice storms Jan. '09.  When I took coffee to the linemen restoring our electricity they said one of the reasons that it was taking so long was that there was a shortage of poles.

That's a pretty low-tech item, to be able to cripple the grid.
But they have to KILL TREES!  And then marinate them in CREOSOTE!

ICKY!!!

In Korea, telephone poles are made of concrete.  Not really sure that's better, if you have trees.
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Re: No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2011, 10:07:57 PM »
Yeah, and after an ice storm a utility can need literally thousands of new poles.  Kind of hard to keep that many handy...

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Re: No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2011, 11:51:45 PM »
But they have to KILL TREES!  And then marinate them in CREOSOTE!

ICKY!!!

In Korea, telephone poles are made of concrete.  Not really sure that's better, if you have trees.

All the poles around where I live in Southern Ontario are made of concrete, too (area of about 500 families give or take). Nearest wooden ones are several kilometers away.
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Re: No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2011, 12:02:56 AM »
All the poles around where I live in Southern Ontario are made of concrete, too (area of about 500 families give or take). Nearest wooden ones are several kilometers away.
Now, having grown up in Michigan, I know for a fact that one thing that Ontario has no shortage of is trees.

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Re: No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 01:29:30 AM »
Now, having grown up in Michigan, I know for a fact that one thing that Ontario has no shortage of is trees.

Damned Liberals...

Hehe, true dat :D


I think that the concrete poles are a result of the ice storms we had back in the '90s. I'm curious to see how these concrete ones perform. But I don't want another ice storm to test them.
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Yes, I'm a physician.  No, I'm not YOUR physician.  Nothing I say here is medical advice.

Do I treat Glocks like I treat my lawn mowers?  No, I treat them worse.  I treat my defensive weapons like my fire extinguishers and smoke detector - annual maintenance and I expect them to work when needed

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Re: No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2011, 11:08:54 PM »
Huh.  Are we about to get a replay of John Ringo's The Last Centurion?
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Re: No, They're Not Going to Harden the Grid
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2011, 11:11:42 PM »
Huh.  Are we about to get a replay of John Ringo's The Last Centurion?
In which, you may recall, Hitlery gets elected in 2012...
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