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Chatter / Re: Bill, WHERE IS THAT BOOK?
« Last post by Bonnie on January 26, 2015, 12:05:29 PM »
I liked this line:
Communities should have plans set up in advance.

 So should individuals.

I would hope that my community would help, but I'm not depending on it. I went to the linked article - I want that radio! And the price isn't bad at all.
Chatter / Bill, WHERE IS THAT BOOK?
« Last post by Flight-ER-Doc on January 25, 2015, 03:16:53 PM »
Signs of Doom / Terror Mosques Seek to Suppress Radicalization Study
« Last post by AuricTech on January 22, 2015, 07:48:43 PM »
I would have to say that this WeaponsMan post, the title of which I have borrowed as the title of this thread, is certainly a sign of upcoming doom.

As such, and to demonstrate that it's true that "you can't stop the signal," I'm uploading the referenced report (an NYPD report on radical Islam) to this forum.

Let us all transplant this document wherever we may, that it may continue to be available once the NYPD bows to pressure to remove it from its Web site.
Washington (State) / Re: GOAL Post 2015-2 & Addenda
« Last post by Drang on January 19, 2015, 03:59:30 AM »
Hope you get these ridiculous laws overturned and drive the people responsible out of office.
"Out of office."
It was passed by ballot initiative, funded by 1%ers, mostly from out of state.
See my blog for further, our own side is our biggest problem right now.
Washington (State) / Re: GOAL Post 2015-2 & Addenda
« Last post by Dale00 on January 18, 2015, 07:40:48 PM »
Hope you get these ridiculous laws overturned and drive the people responsible out of office. The turnaround in Colorado is encouraging.
Washington (State) / GOAL Post 2015-2 & Addenda
« Last post by Drang on January 17, 2015, 08:52:26 PM »
TO: undisclosed-recipients:
SENT: Fri 1/16/2015 8:38 PM
SUBJECT: GOAL Post 2015-2

Legislative Update from Olympia 16 January 2015
  •         RALLY A SUCCESS
  •          GUN BILLS FILED
  •          PUBLIC HEARINGS 101
A "Rally for your rights" was held on the Legislative Building steps on Thursday.  Turnout was "several hundred," significantly fewer than the "I will not comply" rally conducted last month -- but that rally was held on the weekend, with no legislators present, while this one was on a work day, with all legislators present and available to hear from their constituents.  As reported by SAF's Dave Workman, one attendee noted, “Most of our people are at work, so they can pay taxes and support other people who come down here to restrict our rights.”  About two dozen individuals from the "I will not comply" group were present, and reportedly some heckled lawmakers.  That does not help.  And why did they even bother?  At last month's rally they claimed they had already nullified I-594 by their civil disobedience, so why did they bother to come?  (There's nothing wrong with civil disobedience... in its place, as it was in December.).  (BTW, those who chose to open carry inside the legislature after the rally may have provoked a move to ban such carry.  There's a time and a place for everything.)
A lawsuit was filed last week in federal district court in Tacoma challenging many provisions of I-594, mostly dealing with various forms of "transfer."  Plaintiffs include several individual citizens, both Washingtonians and non-residents of Washington, firearms training facilities, private security/investigative services, and others.  Each category of plaintiff has been negatively impacted by I-594, in different ways.  We have been asked why I-594 was not simply challenged as a whole on constitutional grounds.  The simple answer is, the suit would be dismissed almost immediately.  Both the Heller (2008) and McDonald (2010) decisions by the Supreme Court upholding the right of the individual citizens to keep and bear arms allowed for various restrictions to remain in place.  At this point, a piecemeal, provision by provision, challenge to 594 offers the greatest likelihood of success.  Additional information may be found at
The focus of the GOAL Post is on firearms-related legislation (90% of which is contained in RCW 9.41).  We do not address Title 77 (hunting code) unless it impacts firearms directly.  We will address bills having an impact on self defense and/or the use of lethal force (typically in RCW 9A.16 or 9A.36).  The Hunters Heritage Council DOES track most Title 77 issues. 
The session cut-off calendar has yet to be published.  The cut-off calendar contains all the dates by which bills must clear their policy committee or their chamber (House or Senate).  Bills that fail to clear these hurdles are nominally dead for the remainder of the session, although exceptions can be made.
Several firearm-related bills have already been filed.  House Bill 1119 (HB 1119), by Rep. Brian Blake (D-19), clarifies and streamlines various provisions of the existing Washington state Hunter Education Program.  HB 1191, by Rep. David Taylor (R-15) would mandate a renewal notice be mailed to CPL holders 90 days prior to license expiration.  HB 1193, also by Rep. Taylor, would eliminates the state pistol registry and prohibit the state from maintaining any data base of handgun purchasers.  HB 1245, by Rep. Matt Shea (R-4) would repeal all provisions of I-594.  (Recognize that for a two year period following adoption, it takes a 2/3 vote of the legislature to amend in any way an initiative passed by the people.  HB 1245 is unlikely to gain that level of support, but Rep. Shea is making an important statement by filing the bill.  Other action is current under way -- both legislative and through litigation -- to limit the impact of I-594.)
Public hearings have been scheduled for next week for SB 5036 and HB 1119.  The purpose of a public hearing is to gather information from the bill's sponsor(s), other stakeholders (individuals or organizations with a direct interest in the bill), and members of the public.  See the commentary below on how to participate in a public hearing.  Most public hearings are two hours in length, with the time divided among several bills under consideration and other committee business to be addressed.  Thus the time spent on each bill is limited.  Keep in mind, too, that the committee chair has full discretion as to who is called to testify and who is not.  SB 5036 will be heard in Senate Law & Justice on Monday, 19 January (the legislature does NOT close for holidays; both MLK Day and Presidents' Birthday are legislative work days.).  HB 1113 will be heard in the House Agriculture & Natural Resources Committee on 20 January.  The hearing schedule appears below. 
As the name implies, public hearings on bills are open to the public.  A sign-in sheet will typically be found on a table just inside or outside the hearing room.  Attendees are not required to sign in, but may do so.  If you wish to speak on a bill, or take a position on the bill ("pro" or "con"), you must sign in.  If called upon to testify, there is usually a three minute limit on comments.  You should keep it short and sweet, preferably no more than one or two points.  If someone before you already made that point, do not repeat it.  No personal attacks or attacks on the motives of other speakers is allowed.  Just make a positive or negative statement about the content of the bill in question.  You do not have to wear a coat and tie or business attire to attend or speak at a hearing, but you should dress neatly.  Your appearance says a lot about YOU.

{Legislative and information on bills submitted this week, plus an addendum to this GOAL Post, after the break. DWD}

The legislative web site is found at   Additional information is available at the following sites:  ·         House member info:·         Senate member info:·         Combined House and Senate e-mail addresses:
(Next week's GOAL Post may run a day or so late as I will be at the annual Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trades (SHOT) show in Las Vegas.  If I can't send it out from my hotel room, I'll get it out when I get home.)
Bill #SubjectPrime sponsorStatusHB 1119Hunter education issuesBlake (D-17)H. Ag/NatResHB 1191CPL renewal noticesTaylor (R-15)H. Jud.HB 1193Prohibiting gun owner data baseTaylor (R-15)H. Jud.HB 1245Repeals I-594Shea (R- 4)H. Jud.SB 5036Body armorO'Ban (R-28)S. L&J
  HB = House Bill, SB = Senate Bill, H. Jud. = House Judiciary, S. L&J = Senate Law & Justice, H. Ag/NatRes = House Agriculture & Natural ResourcesGOAL POSITION ON BILLSHB 1119                PENDING HB 1191                SUPPORTHB 1193                SUPPORTHB 1245                SUPPORTSB 5036 NEUTRAL
SB 5036Senate L&JSHR 1. Jon A. Cherberg Building 19 Jan1:30 p.m.
HB 1119House Ag/NatResHHR John L. O'Brien Building20 Jan10:00 a.m.
LEGISLATIVE HOT LINE:  You may reach your Representatives and Senator by calling the Legislative Hotline at 1-800-562-6000.  Toll free!!!  The hearing impaired may obtain TDD access at 1-800-635-9993.  Also toll free!!!1-800-562-6000   TDD 1-800-635-9993
OTHER DATA:  Copies of pending legislation (bills), legislative schedules and other information are available on the legislature's web site at "".  Bills are available in Acrobat (.pdf) format.  You may download a free version of Adobe Acrobat Reader from Adobe's web site (  You may also obtain hard copy bills, initiatives, etc, in the mail from the Legislative Bill Room FREE OF CHARGE by calling 1-360-786-7573.  Copies of bills may also be ordered toll free by calling the Legislative Hotline at (800) 562-6000.  You may also hear floor and committee hearing action live at (you need "RealAudio" to do this, available free at the TVW web site).
By reading the House and Senate "bill reports" (hbr, sbr) for each bill, you can see how individual committee members voted.  By reading the "roll call" for each bill, you can see how the entire House or Senate voted on any bill.  The beauty of the web site is that ALL this information is available, on line, to any citizen.
GET THE WORD OUT:  If you want to subscribe to the GOAL Post by e-mail, send a message to "".  Please pass GOAL Post on to anyone you believe may have an interest in protecting our rights.  Better yet, make a couple of copies of this message, post it on your gun club’s bulletin board, and leave copies with your local gun shop(s).  PERMISSION IS HEREBY GRANTED TO DUPLICATE OR REDISTRIBUTE GOAL POST PROVIDED IT IS REPRODUCED IN ITS ENTIRETY WITHOUT TEXTUAL MODIFICATION AND CREDIT IS GIVEN TO GOAL.  I can be reached at "" or by telephone at (425) 985-4867.  Unfortunately, I am unable to mail hard copy GOAL Post to individuals.  Limited numbers of hard copies MAY be available at the Second Amendment Foundation book table at WAC gun shows.If you believe you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail me at "" with the words "Unsubscribe GOAL Post" in the subject line.  I will remove your name immediately.  Keep in mind GOAL Post is also published on several gun lists.  If you received GP via a list, you must contact that list's admin to unsubscribe.
Upcoming WAC gun show(s):Puyallup             17-18 JanuaryMonroe              14-15 February
"The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men."Article 1, Section 24Constitution of the State of Washington
Copyright 2015 Gun Owners Action League of WA
TO: undisclosed-recipients:SENT: Sat 1/17/2015 4:43 AMSUBJECT: GOAL Post Addenda 2015-2a
Legislative Update from Olympia 17 January 2015
  • [/l]
    First, about SB 5036, by Sen. Steve O'Ban (R-28):  SB 5036 would add a sentencing enhancement (increase) if an individual were to wear body armor during the commission of a felony.  While not a gun bill per se, many gun owners also own/use protective clothing.  Like firearm sentencing enhancements, we support them -- when applied to criminals intentionally committing crimes.  But the potential exists for the law to be applied in situations where it is not intended (2nd/subsequent violation of I-594, for example). 
    HB 1131, by Rep. Eric Pettigrew (D-37) and companion bill SB 5241, by Sen. Steve Litzow (R-41) would prohibit the sale or transfer of any product containing ivory from an elephant or mammoth or any product made from ivory horn.  There are limited exceptions to such sale/transfer.  Violation is a felony.
    Why is this appearing in GOAL Post?  We're not aware of any market in rhinoceros horn pistol grips, but how about ivory?  New ivory products have been prohibited by federal law for years, but ivory grips made previously are still around, and popular with collectors.  Also, "ivory" isn't necessarily "ivory."  Ivory comes from several animals, not just elephants.  Wart hog and walrus tusks are common sources of ivory used in various products.  How is an arresting agent going to know the difference?
    Public hearings on both HB 1131 and SB 5241 will be held next week.  HB 1131 will be heard in House Agriculture Natural Resources committee on Tuesday, 20 January at 10:00 a.m. in House Hearing Room "B."  SB 5241 will be heard in Senate Hearing Room "3" on Wednesday, 21 January at 1:30 p.m.
    Bill #SubjectPrime sponsorStatusHB 1131Prohibits sale/purchase of ivoryPettigrew (D-37)H. Ag/NatResSB 5241Prohibits sale/purchase of ivoryLitzow (R-41)S. NatRes/Parks
    HB = House Bill, SB = Senate Bill, H. Jud. = House Judiciary, S. L&J = Senate Law & Justice, H. Ag/NatRes = House Agriculture & Natural Resources, S. NatRes/Parks = Senate Natural Resources and Parks
    HB 1131                OPPOSE
    SB 5241                 OPPOSE
    HB 1131House Ag/NatResHHR "B", John L. O'Brien Building20 Jan10:00 a.m.
    SB 5241Senate NatResSHR "3", John A. Cherberg Building21 Jan1:30 p.m.
    LEGISLATIVE HOT LINE:  You may reach your Representatives and Senator by calling the Legislative Hotline at 1-800-562-6000.  Toll free!!!  The hearing impaired may obtain TDD access at 1-800-635-9993.  Also toll free!!!
    1-800-562-6000   TDD 1-800-635-9993
    Copyright 2015 Gun Owners Action League of WA
Chatter / Re: Eastman Outdoor Co. products
« Last post by cd on January 15, 2015, 07:42:24 PM »
Thanks for the head's up.
The Shopping Mall / Re: 'Water' Cans from Uncle Sam
« Last post by Flight-ER-Doc on January 15, 2015, 02:43:23 PM »

Quote from: Drang on Today at 12:24:44 PM
IIRC the metal water cans were ditched because the inner coating was prone to flaking off. Don't remember the last time I saw one.

Yeah...we had them in Desert Storm, but mostly only used them for non-potable water (hand washing stations, and the like).  They're very good for that -- just drill a hole on the side, put a hose bib on, reach in and secure with a nut.  You can also put them on a fire for warm water.

The Shopping Mall / Re: 'Water' Cans from Uncle Sam
« Last post by Drang on January 15, 2015, 12:24:44 PM »
IIRC the metal water cans were ditched because the inner coating was prone to flaking off. Don't remember the last time I saw one.
The Shopping Mall / Re: 'Water' Cans from Uncle Sam
« Last post by Langenator on January 15, 2015, 12:17:04 PM »
Learn something new every day...I've always had the plastic 5-gallon water cans, even when I was in ROTC.  I've encountered a few metal fuel cans still banging around in the Army, although not for the last 10 years or so.

But the current cans all have a single handle for water and triple handles for fuel.  Makes it easier to avoid mix-ups in the dark.
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